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Widely-Contradictory Estimated Numbers of Jews Who Survived the Holocaust Because of Polish Help: 20,000 to Over 100,000


Author Havi Dreifuss is identified as a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Jewish History at Tel Aviv University and the director of the Center for Research on the Holocaust in Poland at the International Institute for Holocaust Research at Yad Vashem.

  • Changing Perspectives in Polish-Jewish Relations During the Holocaust by Havi DreifussPublished 2012 by Yad Vashem

The title of this short book is misleading. It offers nothing new, and none of its content partakes of any kind of changing perspectives. Its only value is that it collates some recent works, and presents some data in a comparative format. For this reason, I give it two stars instead of one.

A CLEAR Havi Dreifuss ON SCHOLARLY ANALYSES

The most striking feature of the book is this: Havi Dreifuss attempts to undermine studies that tend to put Poles in a favorable light, but conspicuously avoids doing the same for studies that tend to put Poles in a less favorable light. Thus, she dissects Gunnar S. Paulsson and his SECRET CITY in minute detail. (pp. 32-on). She attempts to downgrade the number, of Warsaw Jewish children saved by ZEGOTA and Irena Sendler, from 2,600 to 600. (p. 94). She attacks historian Marek Jan Chodakiewicz with almost-bizarre flippant remarks (p. 28), while accusing Gunnar S. Paulsson of misrepresenting the sources he cites. (p. 56). The farce is palpable! [For correction, just read the books of Chodakiewicz and see for yourself.]

In glaring contrast, Havi Dreifuss shows not as much as a glimmer of questioning of other sources that she cites. This includes dubiously-credible authors such as onetime Communist functionary Shmuel Krakowski.

JUDENJAGD NOT SUPPORTED

As a further example, Dreifuss approvingly mentions Jan Grabowski vel Abrahamer and his JUDENJAGD (HUNT FOR THE JEWS). (p. 30, 74). Grabowski’s frankly-propagandistic work examines, and greatly exaggerates, the Polish denunciations of fugitive Jews. For a much better work on the survival of the Jews of Dabrowa County, please click on Krwawe Upiory (Polish Edition), and read the detailed English-language Peczkis review.

Interestingly, some of the data that Dreifuss cites elsewhere upends Grabowski’s contention that 10% of Poland’s Jews (that is, 250,000 of 2,500,000 Jews still alive in early 1942, at the start of the Holocaust itself), had fled the ghettos and thereby placed themselves at the mercy of the Poles.

The author cites Israel Gutman, who estimated that only 15,000-20,000 Warsaw Jews hid on the „Aryan” side throughout the war years. (p. 47). Since about 400,000 Jews had been packed by the Germans into the Warsaw Ghetto, Gutman’s figure implies that only 3.75%-5.00% of these Jews fled the ghetto. If this percentage can be generalized (and one must remember that the Warsaw Ghetto carries much statistical weight, as it was by far the largest concentration of Jews in German-occupied Poland), then Grabowski’s estimate of 10% is far too large, and, therefore, Grabowski’s inferred percentage of fugitive Jews who survived the war is far too small.

WIDE RANGES OF ESTIMATES OF POLISH-AIDED JEWISH SURVIVORSHIP: 20,000 to Over 100,000

Dreifuss quotes a range of „several tens of thousands” to more than 100,000 (or more) Poles involved in the rescue of Jews. (p. 70). The quoted range of Poland’s Jews surviving the war because of Polish rescue efforts range from a low of 20,000-30,000 to more than 100,000. (p. 71).

Her figures, if accurate in terms of the equivalent credibility of the numbers cited, are a double-edged sword. They mean that, if the relative abundance of Polish rescuers of Jews cannot be proved, then also the extreme rarity of Polish rescuers cannot be proved either. In addition, Dreifuss stresses the fact that it is impossible to even approximate the frequency of Polish denouncers of fugitive Jews. (p. 72). This, too, is a double-edged sword. If the extreme rarity of Polish denouncers cannot be proved, so also the relative abundance of Polish denouncers (as asserted by Polonophobes) also cannot be proved.

However, the numbers are largely academic. The informed reader probably realizes that the facts and figures really do not matter. Poland is incessantly attacked by Jewish authors and journalists regardless of any statistics on Polish rescuers or Polish denouncers.

DO NOT RUSH TO JUDGEMENT ON THE POLES

Finally, even if the lower numbers of Jewish survivors are the correct ones, they are subject to multiple interpretations. Do they mean that Poles were even more hostile and indifferent to the fate of fugitive Jews than previously supposed? Or do they instead mean that the perfidy and ruthlessness of German methods, of uncovering fugitive Jews and thwarting Polish efforts on behalf of Jews, were even more effective than previously supposed?

Jan Peczkis

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Jews and Poles: What if the situations were changed? A Jew responds.

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Lets now compare it with Israelis conduct towards the Palestinians ….

They don’t seem to have learned anything, have they? ( Admin note)

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7 comments on “Widely-Contradictory Estimated Numbers of Jews Who Survived the Holocaust Because of Polish Help: 20,000 to Over 100,000

  1. Luis rodrigues coelho
    September 13, 2018

    THERE WAS NO HOLOCAUST. IT IS A MYTH.RED CROSS INTERNATIONAL, WHO WERE ALLOWED INTO CAMPS TO DELIVER AID AND MAIL, NEVER REPORTED SEEING A HOLOCAUST…EVEN LESS GAS CHAMBERS.SOME ROOMS WERE TO FUMIGATE PROPLE FROM TYPHUS AND THAT IS WHY THEY HSD TO GET UNDRESSED AND SHAVE THEIR HAIR.THERE WAS NO GAS CHAMBERS.THERE WAS NO HOLOCAUST.IF THERE EXISTED ONE, POPE LEO XIII, THE ONLY WORLD LEADERS WHO CONDEMNED NAZISM IN PUBLIC, WOULD HAVE DENNOUCED IT.BUT…HE DIDNT, COS…THERE WAS NO JEWISH HOLOCAUST. SO WHEN ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE YOU RHETORIC?  YOU ARE CREATING DESINFPRMATION AND CONFUSION IN THOSE WHO DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THESE ISSUES

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    • HKW
      September 13, 2018

      Being of the younger generation that hasn’t witness war and war crimes we cannot deny the holocaust nor can we assure it happened. But most articles published here are based on historical testimony and evidence from reliable sources conducting and collecting these information. You are welcome to peruse them and draw your own, sensible conclusions using reason. There are documented witnesses testimonies, some of which are still alive and who have been deeply affected by WW2. One undeniable fact is , that a terrible war did take place and millions of innocents lives were sacrificed, not only the jews. Personally, I believe that jewish holocaust has been greatly exaggerated and made into a holocaust industry, from which only the jewish lobby benefits. Not the poor jews who truly suffered. Norman Finkelstein wrote and spoke about it. The most annoying part is also the fact, that jews hijacked the victim-hood from everyone else disregarding the presence of many other nationalities in concentration camps. Disregarding also the fact, that some were built and used by IG Farben-Bayer. Now, ask yourself a question, who truly owned it? This is the most intriguing and we’ll leave it up to you to do the homework to find out… Just be fair and open-minded. Bear in mind also that there was no state of Israel before the war…

      • kevin church
        September 15, 2018

        @HKW
        Qouting you…
        “There are documented witnesses testimonies, some of which are still alive and who have been deeply affected by WW2”

        So your standard is that if someone is alive and they make a claim, it’s true?
        Especially if in their ALLEGATION they ‘endured’ suffering?
        That’s ‘brilliant’!!!

        So then what happened to those 1.5 million that were claimed to have been gassed at Majdanek?
        Or the 3 million out of the original 4 million that were claimed to have suffered and been murdered at Auschwitz?

        Wake up!!!
        It’s 2018 and the public still isn’t aware of the enormous lies they’re told.

      • HKW
        September 15, 2018

        These claims are made by supposedly jewish historian. But even you had it mixed up. At Auschwitz out of the 4 million the number has been reduced to 1.2. However, the number of 6 million is still being peddled by the Holocaust Industry. Not by me ! The less fortunate and less wealthy, or should I rather say the poorer jews were sacrificed by the rich jewish elite in order to create the State of Israel. Unfortunately, at the same time Poles suffered terribly too. Almost the entire Polish intelligentsia has been eliminated!!! Poland was the most affected in this war. But the jewish lobby has hijacked the victim-hood for themselves only! Is this statement I just made that bothers you so much? My family of ethnic Poles have been affected as well. I never got the chance to spend let alone enjoy even a minute with any of my grandfathers. Both were killed before I was born ….

      • HKW
        September 15, 2018

        Kevin, what church do you represent ?

    • kevin church
      September 15, 2018

      One article after the next complaining about false charges by Jews against Poland. But in the very same articles they string out the ‘holocaust’. Very very strange.
      Is it due to ‘holocaust denial’ laws in Poland?
      I don’t know because ‘holocaust denial’ laws are no reason to go out of your way to help peddle the lies.

      Signed
      Truth seeker and Polish American

      • HKW
        September 15, 2018

        Polish American or Polish American of jewish background …? You don’t seem to understand the core of the problem. Have you not heard nor ever come across media deliberately publishing misleading information about WW2 concentration camps being described as Polish? Poland did exist then. She was partitioned between Soviet Union and Germany! Those camps were built and administered on Polish occupied territories be Germans !!! Therefore, it is insulting to Poles to name these camps as Polish Concentration camps. A true Polish American would not act as a Polonophob !

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